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Showing posts with label tzniut. Show all posts
Showing posts with label tzniut. Show all posts
Oct 10, 2011
Jul 5, 2011
Yes, Yes, Cut Your Legs
Girls should hurt their legs if parents won't let them wear long skirts, rabbi says
Ari Galahar Published: 07.04.11, 15:42 / Israel Jewish Scene
(http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4083216,00.html)
What should a girl do if she wishes to dress modestly but her parents won't let her? According to Rabbi Yitzchok Zilberstein she can injure herself in order to use it as an excuse for dressing modestly.
Three weeks ago, Rabbi Zilberstein, the the son-in-law of prominent Rabbi Yosef Elyashiv, received an inquiry from a women's religious seminary (Midrasha) about a student who is growing increasingly religious. The student said she wanted to dress modestly but her parents were preventing her from doing so, because they were not religious.
Full story
"The young woman is facing a difficult challenges from her family members, who forbid her to dress modestly," the coordinator of a women's religious seminary wrote in the inquiry.
"The young woman thought that if she inflicted wounds on her legs she could tell her parents that she is wearing a long skirt to cover the wounds," the letter said.
Rabbi Zilberstein's reply came shortly after, with an unequivocal answer: "She is allowed to inflict wounds on her legs in order to dress modestly and evade sin."
In his reply, the rabbi commended the student's initiative, saying "the blood from the self-inflicted wound will atone for the people of Israel," adding that the coordinator should allow the student to commit the act.
Last February, Rabbi Zilberstein was asked whether a man that hangs a sign reading "Beware, dog in the yard," although he is not the dog owner, is lying to his neighbors.
The rabbi replied that it is not false pretence, but recommended to drop the word "yard" in order for the warning to remain ambiguous.
In his explanation, the rabbi wrote, "The yard owner isn’t trying to gain benefits from anyone, but is only trying to prevent thieves from entering his property."
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Ari Galahar Published: 07.04.11, 15:42 / Israel Jewish Scene
(http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4083216,00.html)
What should a girl do if she wishes to dress modestly but her parents won't let her? According to Rabbi Yitzchok Zilberstein she can injure herself in order to use it as an excuse for dressing modestly.
Three weeks ago, Rabbi Zilberstein, the the son-in-law of prominent Rabbi Yosef Elyashiv, received an inquiry from a women's religious seminary (Midrasha) about a student who is growing increasingly religious. The student said she wanted to dress modestly but her parents were preventing her from doing so, because they were not religious.
Full story
"The young woman is facing a difficult challenges from her family members, who forbid her to dress modestly," the coordinator of a women's religious seminary wrote in the inquiry.
"The young woman thought that if she inflicted wounds on her legs she could tell her parents that she is wearing a long skirt to cover the wounds," the letter said.
Rabbi Zilberstein's reply came shortly after, with an unequivocal answer: "She is allowed to inflict wounds on her legs in order to dress modestly and evade sin."
In his reply, the rabbi commended the student's initiative, saying "the blood from the self-inflicted wound will atone for the people of Israel," adding that the coordinator should allow the student to commit the act.
Last February, Rabbi Zilberstein was asked whether a man that hangs a sign reading "Beware, dog in the yard," although he is not the dog owner, is lying to his neighbors.
The rabbi replied that it is not false pretence, but recommended to drop the word "yard" in order for the warning to remain ambiguous.
In his explanation, the rabbi wrote, "The yard owner isn’t trying to gain benefits from anyone, but is only trying to prevent thieves from entering his property."
Jul 1, 2011
May 30, 2011
We Kneed You (to cover your knees)
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What has your experience with Tznius been like?
I kid you not: I received the following email. Isn't it amazingly clear how death is connected to the lengths of a skirt?
Growing up, Tznius to me was pretty much a an area of Jewish law just like Kashrut and Shabbat was. It was something a person did, and then life went on.
When I landed in the center of Bais Yaakov ville for seminary, I was shocked at how blown out of proportion the entire Tznius thing was.
I was extremely turned off because I felt that religion instead of being a lofty set of moral and ethical ideals being lived in harmony with the law, was becoming a technical marathon of "Who is more modest."
I remember showing up in seminary, it was my first day. A sweet girl offered to show me around. She took me to the lunch room. In front of the door was a huge sign with a diagram of female legs. There were marks up and down the leg explaining what length is too long, long enough, too short, and definitely too short. The words on the sign read WE KNEED YOU (as in to cover your knees). And please this sign was in the dining room. That pretty much killed my appetite for the evening.
I remember the lectures, that would go on for forty sometimes fifty minutes, where Rabbis or Rebbitzins would go on and on about how every passuk in Tehillim actually says that women shouldn't wear tight shirts, how there is tremendous yeridas hadoros because the tights today are transparent (no kidding the next day, half of the seminary was wearing two pairs of tights).
I remember walking on Shabbat to a meal in a skirt that reached the floor. The Rabbi of the Sem stood outside and as I passed I felt him stare me up and down and then I just knew. Later that week when I went over to ask a question, he told me: don't wear this skirt anymore, and your skirt on Shabbat was also unacceptable.
Experiences that made me want to run in the opposite direction.
Do you have any similar experiences with Tznius?
The email below which I received in my inbox this morning reminded me of those experiences.
MY BROTHER INLAW LOST HIS SISTER ON THURSDAY, SHE WAS SUDDENLY TAKEN FROM HER HUSBAND AND TWO CHILDREN.
SHE WAS 27.
WHEN SUCH THINGS OCCUR R'L WE CANT SAY WHY IT HAPPENED.
BUT.... WE HAVE A JOB. OUR JOB IS TO QUESTION WHERE WE CAN IMPROVE!
RECENTLY ANOTHER TRADGEDY HAS TAKEN PLACE AND I HAVE NOTICED THAT ITS BEEN GETTING WORSE AND WORSE!!!!+MOST OF US HAVE BEEN AFFECTED BY IT!ESPECIALLY PEOPLES FATHERS, HUSBANDS, BROTHERS AND SONS.
A LOCAL GIRL JUST TOLD ME THAT HER COLLEAGUE ( BTW A KODESH TEACHER) WAS ASKED TO SIT DOWN WITH A PUPIL IN ORDER TO JOIN IN A GAME..BUT SHE MATTER OF FACTLY REPLIED 'NO I CANT BECAUSE MY SKIRT WONT COVER MY KNEE'S'...HAVE YOU EVER IN YOU'RE LIFE???!!!!MY FRIEND WAS APPALLED!!!!!AND SO AM I!!!SURELY A KODESH TEACHER, SOMEONE WHO IS SUPPOSED TO BE A ROLE MODEL SHOULD NATURALLY KNOW BETTER!!HOW INSANE!
IS IT RIGHT THAT WE SHOULD SEE UP TO PARIS EVERY TIME A GIRL SITS DOWN??????!!!!!!!PERSONALY IM ALRIGHT WITH OUR COUNTRY.....
YOU MAY BE LAUGHING BUT MY BROTHER INLAW IS CERTAINLY NOT. HE IS SITTING SHIVAH.
THESE PEOPLE ARE TAKEN AS A KAPPARAH!!!LET US UNDERSTAND THIS MESSAGE NOW BEFORE HASHEM NEEDS TO SEND US MORE!!C'V.
LETS START WITH GETTING RID OF THOSE PENCIL SKIRTS NOW!!!!!!!!!!WE ALL KNOW ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO STAY COVERED WHEN WEARING THEM.
ITS AS BAD AS LEAVING HALF A PACKET OF BISCUITS IN YOUR HOUSE OVER PESACH!!!
(I HAVE SET UP A NEW NUMBER THAT HAS NO CONTACTS SO THAT WHEN YOU HEAR OF A PENCIL SKIRT THAT HAS BEEN THROWN AWAY YOU CAN ANONYMOUSLY TEXT 'PENCIL SKIRT GONE!' TO 07963 446 597 AND SOMEONE HAS AGREED TO GIVE £10 TO ZICHRON MENACHEM FOR EACH TEXT RECEIVED!)
WE SHOULD ONLY HEAR GOOD NEWS.
have a good night.
dobraxxxx
ps im talking to myself as much as im talking to you...
PLEASE FORWARD!
SHE WAS 27.
WHEN SUCH THINGS OCCUR R'L WE CANT SAY WHY IT HAPPENED.
BUT.... WE HAVE A JOB. OUR JOB IS TO QUESTION WHERE WE CAN IMPROVE!
RECENTLY ANOTHER TRADGEDY HAS TAKEN PLACE AND I HAVE NOTICED THAT ITS BEEN GETTING WORSE AND WORSE!!!!+MOST OF US HAVE BEEN AFFECTED BY IT!ESPECIALLY PEOPLES FATHERS, HUSBANDS, BROTHERS AND SONS.
A LOCAL GIRL JUST TOLD ME THAT HER COLLEAGUE ( BTW A KODESH TEACHER) WAS ASKED TO SIT DOWN WITH A PUPIL IN ORDER TO JOIN IN A GAME..BUT SHE MATTER OF FACTLY REPLIED 'NO I CANT BECAUSE MY SKIRT WONT COVER MY KNEE'S'...HAVE YOU EVER IN YOU'RE LIFE???!!!!MY FRIEND WAS APPALLED!!!!!AND SO AM I!!!SURELY A KODESH TEACHER, SOMEONE WHO IS SUPPOSED TO BE A ROLE MODEL SHOULD NATURALLY KNOW BETTER!!HOW INSANE!
IS IT RIGHT THAT WE SHOULD SEE UP TO PARIS EVERY TIME A GIRL SITS DOWN??????!!!!!!!PERSONALY IM ALRIGHT WITH OUR COUNTRY.....
YOU MAY BE LAUGHING BUT MY BROTHER INLAW IS CERTAINLY NOT. HE IS SITTING SHIVAH.
THESE PEOPLE ARE TAKEN AS A KAPPARAH!!!LET US UNDERSTAND THIS MESSAGE NOW BEFORE HASHEM NEEDS TO SEND US MORE!!C'V.
LETS START WITH GETTING RID OF THOSE PENCIL SKIRTS NOW!!!!!!!!!!WE ALL KNOW ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO STAY COVERED WHEN WEARING THEM.
ITS AS BAD AS LEAVING HALF A PACKET OF BISCUITS IN YOUR HOUSE OVER PESACH!!!
(I HAVE SET UP A NEW NUMBER THAT HAS NO CONTACTS SO THAT WHEN YOU HEAR OF A PENCIL SKIRT THAT HAS BEEN THROWN AWAY YOU CAN ANONYMOUSLY TEXT 'PENCIL SKIRT GONE!' TO 07963 446 597 AND SOMEONE HAS AGREED TO GIVE £10 TO ZICHRON MENACHEM FOR EACH TEXT RECEIVED!)
WE SHOULD ONLY HEAR GOOD NEWS.
have a good night.
dobraxxxx
ps im talking to myself as much as im talking to you...
PLEASE FORWARD!
Mar 9, 2011
Sep 1, 2010
The Politics of Religion
Is the nation following its leaders or are the leaders following the nation?
Below I have posted videos of Rav Elyashiv speaking on the topic of wigs. Whether they are forbidden or permitted from the Halachic perspective.
Two rabbis complained to Rav Elyashiv that women wear wigs which are extremely immodest. They violate the laws of tzniut [modesty] which require for a married woman to cover her hair. Although all the hair is covered technically, wigs give off the appearance of hair. The rabbis felt that although the letter of the law was being observed, the spirit of the law was not.
The Rabbis who spoke with Rav Elyashiv in the video were trying to pressure the Rav into making a Halachic statement that wigs are forbidden to be worn by married women.
They tell the Rav. "Whatever you say, Klal Yisrael accepts." They say, "When the Rav said that wigs made with indian hair were idol worship, no one wore a wig." Rav Elyashiv responded: "What do you want me to say? That wigs are avodah zara?"
R' Elyashiv did not make that statement.
Isn't it easy to blame all the troubles of the world on the fact that women wear wigs? Probably clears the conscience of these Rabbis.
Please notice the way they present the argument to R' Elyashiv.
a. If Tzniut isn't observed, there can be suffering
b. There is lots of suffering
c. Must be, women are not observing Tzniut
Fascinating is the fact that the rabbis wanted the rabbi to issue the statement. Then they would go around forcing everyone to wear hats only in the name of Gedolei Yisrael.
I was also shocked by the fact that the rabbis kept on interrupting Rav Elyashiv.
Where is the tremendous respect for scholars that we were taught to have from a young age?
Why are they telling the Rabbi what to tell Jewish women to wear?
My question is: Who is really running the show here? The nation or the leaders?
Below is a translation of the video into English:
Presented is a video of a conversation conducted during a visit with Rav Elyashiv on the 12th of Kislev, 5769 (2009)
Visitor: This is a question that involves everyone.
Today, the entire Jewish nation, on a general and individual scale, is afflicted with endless suffering.Different kinds of troubles, illness kills millions, financial problems.
Once it was said in the name of the Chafetz Chaim that the source of the problem is Tzniut--modesty. It says (in the Torah) and you shall return. If G-d is not with us, since we are afflicted with issues. Is this something that is correct to say at such a time?
Rav Elyashiv: The Chafetz Chaim said it! And it's not going to be true?
Other Visitor (notice blotched out face): I received a phone call from Rechovot today. There are many problems, ill people. All over there are problems. If the community strengthens itself with this (modesty), that will make the entire community stronger. It's impossible to see…
Rav Elyashiv: The problem of the wigs, how can it be fixed? It is already rooted with the big and good people among our nation. With these wigs there is unmatched Pritzut (vulgarity). I don't understand how you are going to uproot this. This problem started from the big ones, not just from anyone. Rosh Yeshivas, great people, righteous people, everyone has fallen with this. What can you do about it? ( The Rav is throwing the ball back into the visitors court). There is such a problem, why isn't anyone taking care of it? It is extremely unrefined. Even the women with the wigs are righteous, and yet they wear such wigs!
for a more extensive video please see this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqKuugQv0PY
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